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Should Donald Trump be impeached?

Speaker of the United States' House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, has announced the beginning of an impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump yesterday, following the Donald Trump's admission of discussing democratic front-runner Joe Biden with Ukrainian's President. Trump is being accused of pressuring President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden - who has links to a Ukrainian oligarch, in order to make political gains ahead of the 2020 presidential election. Trump denied the accusations and has warned his impeachment will hurt the US economy, but nonetheless faces further inquiries into his actions as president despite being investigated from 2017-2019 by Robert Mueller. So should Trump be impeached? Is the evidence strong enough this time? Or is Trump right to warn of the negative economic fall-out?
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Yes, but sadly impeachment to misrepresent bigger issues
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No, democrats have been guilty of exactly the same thing in the past
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This will backfire for democrats
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The need for better legal guidelines
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No, Ukrainegate is just the next fake news narrative
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Yes, so that any sealed indictment can be enacted
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No - the latest “witch hunt garbage”
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Yes, he has a long list of impeachable offenses
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Yes, but sadly impeachment to misrepresent bigger issues

The political squabbling and misreporting around Trump’s impeachment is being used to derail the narrative surrounding the real problem in Ukraine and the U.S.’s relations with Ukraine. Part of the scandal is Trump's alleged threat to withhold military aid from Ukraine, but no one in the media is asking the most important bigger picture question, what is that military aid for? And the uncomfortable answer is that the U.S. is funding a proxy war against Russia in eastern Ukraine. The American political narrative suffers a deep lack of any meaningful understanding of the underlying issues and is happy to endlessly dissect the very insular world of American bipartisan politics.

But the question needs to be asked, who really benefits from this situation of ignoring the horrible unstable situation in Ukraine while launching an attack on Trump? Weapons manufacturers have held fund raisers for and donated a large amount of money to Adam Schiff, while being the biggest proponents of a proxy war in Ukraine. Adam Schiff is also personally leading the impeachment proceedings against Trump, which perfectly redirects the media narrative and should represent a very clear conflict of interests. Instead the whole situation just reinforces a disastrous cold war mind-set while adopting a narrative of trying to challenge Trump, the whole thing would be laughable if the real underlying issue wasn’t to tragic.

In reality it would probably be better for everyone to freeze military aid to Ukraine, but this is never brought up. Obama refused military aid when in office but it is thought that due to the abundance of Russia collusion allegations surrounding Trump coming into office he caved to Washington war-hawk pressure and continued to fuel a useless proxy war with Russia. Trump was impeached but not removed from office and American politics subsequently went on with business as usual. With no reflection on the underlying issues behind Ukrainegate, the US government went on to heighten tension with Iran in January and then sleep walked into a coronavirus pandemic. Trump has since used the outbreak as an excuse to launch fresh sanctions on Venezula and Iran to maximise the human cost and cause political turmoil in these regions, is this needless push to maximise human loss in a pandemic not a crime against humanity, or an impeachable offense?

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The political squabbling and misreporting around Trump’s impeachment is being used to derail the narrative surrounding the real problem in Ukraine and the U.S.’s relations with Ukraine. Part of the scandal is Trump's alleged threat to withhold military aid from Ukraine, but no one in the media is asking the most important bigger picture question, what is that military aid for? And the uncomfortable answer is that the U.S. is funding a proxy war against Russia in eastern Ukraine. The American political narrative suffers a deep lack of any meaningful understanding of the underlying issues and is happy to endlessly dissect the very insular world of American bipartisan politics.

No, democrats have been guilty of exactly the same thing in the past

As horrible as it sounds to defend as corrupt an individual as Trump, it is unfair to impeach Trump for something multiple democrats are themselves guilty of. At a Council on Foreign Relations conference in 2018, Joe Biden admitted to have threatened to withhold a billion-dollar loan to Ukraine until former Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, fired a Ukrainian State Prosecutor who was investigating Joe Biden’s son, nearly the exact same corrupt act of political meddling that Trump now stands accused of. Democrats failed to impeach Trump on anything meaningful as they are just as guilty as he is.

The State Prosecutor in question over Biden's involvement, Viktor Shokin, has since come forward and said that he had "been told to back off an investigation into the natural gas firm where Hunter Biden served on the board of directors" [1]. But while this may not have broken any laws, it remains a clear conflict of interest, and the clear pattern of Hunter Biden's business dealings seem to clearly follow is father's life in politics, a further conflict of interest that strongly implies corruption. But this corruption is not limited to the Biden family, there are a multitude of similar cases where democrats are accusing Trump of something that democrats are in fact themselves guilty of, for example the deep connections between Kremlin-funded interests with John Podesta and the Clintons. The Clintons in particular enjoy closer questionable ties to Russia than Trump, and have been implicated in aiding a Russian company, Rosatom, in "a campaign of bribery, extortion, money laundering and racketeering to gain control over U.S. nuclear assets in the private sector" [2].

This case of corruption seems to have been known by the Obama administration who failed to do anything about it, implicating many democrats in corruption or complicity with it. Meanwhile Trump's approval rating has risen to the highest it has been all year amidst this impeachment inquiry, indicating public awareness of such blatant double standards is clearer to the public than democrats seem willing to believe. That makes these impeachment proceedings more of a political show than a meaningful upholding of US law, clear from democrat's repressed cheering to the vote to impeach in the House of Representatives. This has just added to the deep divide in American politics where democrats and republicans often refuse to work together, a divide that is becoming more clear through the coronavirus pandemic.

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As horrible as it sounds to defend as corrupt an individual as Trump, it is unfair to impeach Trump for something multiple democrats are themselves guilty of. At a Council on Foreign Relations conference in 2018, Joe Biden admitted to have threatened to withhold a billion-dollar loan to Ukraine until former Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, fired a Ukrainian State Prosecutor who was investigating Joe Biden’s son, nearly the exact same corrupt act of political meddling that Trump now stands accused of. Democrats failed to impeach Trump on anything meaningful as they are just as guilty as he is.

This will backfire for democrats

Even if you hate Trump, impeaching him is a bad idea politically. No president has been removed from office following impeachment, with an impeachment trial needing a supermajority of the Senate to vote to impeach Trump, this would be unlikely considering the Republican support Trump enjoys. Trump will likely then spin failed impeachment proceedings to his benefit using it to justify the conspiracy theory claims he often tweets and talks about. Furthermore, this whole case draws attention to corruption in the Democratic Party too, as it involves Joe Biden’s son who may have been awarded an unfair position in a Ukrainian company due to an Obama era-deal made by his father.

Impeachment might pass the house but not the senate, and after the first hearing the proceedings are already becoming a joke, with witness testimonies being laughable. Trump is only vaguely implicated in wrongdoing here, where as the democratic front runner is going to have his history and that of his family investigated, making this impeachment the bad choice and bad timing that will probably help secure Trump’s win in the 2020 presidential election. These impeachment proceedings will not address the deep decay that has beset American politics, but instead may highlight the failings on both sides of the political aisle, further solidifying the anti-establishment rhetoric that Trump used to get into power in the first place.

The impeachment was passed through the democratic led House of Representatives but failing to be voted in favour of by the Republican led Senate, in late 2019/early 2020. Through impeaching Trump democrats did nothing to hurt him, as his approval rating demonstrates Trump is just as popular now as ever before. But worse still for democrats they failed to exonerate Joe Biden who was in a way implicated in a worse way by this scandal and wasn't held accountable. In the bigger picture this may have cost democrats the 2020 presidential race, as Biden remains the least unpopular democrat in a bad field in the race for the democratic nominees, but the allegations of involvement in familial corruption in Ukraine will stay fresh in voters minds for quite some time. By impeaching Trump democrats have ultimately failed, in removing Trump, by strengthening Trump and also by further weaken the squabbling mess of the Democratic Party.

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Impeachment might pass the house but not the senate, and after the first hearing the proceedings are already becoming a joke, with witness testimonies being laughable. Trump is only vaguely implicated in wrongdoing here, where as the democratic front runner is going to have his history and that of his family investigated, making this impeachment the bad choice and bad timing that will probably help secure Trump’s win in the 2020 presidential election. These impeachment proceedings will not address the deep decay that has beset American politics, but instead may highlight the failings on both sides of the political aisle, further solidifying the anti-establishment rhetoric that Trump used to get into power in the first place.

The need for better legal guidelines

Both the likelihood and legitimacy of Trump being successfully impeached or indicted remains unclear, and looking to the constitution or back at history doesn’t offer much clarity either. With Nixon resigning and being pardoned after leaving office, and Clinton being impeached but the Justice Department asserting the indictment was out of bounds, the question of criminal proceedings being bought against a sitting president remain unclear, and whether this lies within the scope of the US constitution is hotly debated also. There remains a clear need for revised legal guidelines surrounding this very nuanced area then, as the constitution only makes reference to "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" [1].

Should Trump’s clear embrace of racist narratives not have been something to impeach him for? Racism doesn’t necessarily have to lead to him being indicted, but should definitely be impeachable, as a president so eager to sow divisions in a society should be removed from office as they cannot possibly be conducting their job well. The Muslim ban alone should have been enough then, this push to impeach Trump now over such an additionally nuanced issue is just a terrible case of too little too late. But more should be done to clarify future issues involving presidents sowing discord, encouraging foreign meddling or indeed profiting from their time in office.

Trump was impeached for abuse of power and obstruction of congress in December 2019, for unlawfully solicited Ukrainian authorities to influence the 2020 U.S. presidential election. But this remained an impeachment down party lines, which is why the senate voted it down, and failed to make the future of the process of impeachment any more clear. This makes the case for impeachment reform stronger, as it should not be a way for one party to try and remove a democratically elected president of the other party.

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Both the likelihood and legitimacy of Trump being successfully impeached or indicted remains unclear, and looking to the constitution or back at history doesn’t offer much clarity either. With Nixon resigning and being pardoned after leaving office, and Clinton being impeached but the Justice Department asserting the indictment was out of bounds, the question of criminal proceedings being bought against a sitting president remain unclear, and whether this lies within the scope of the US constitution is hotly debated also. There remains a clear need for revised legal guidelines surrounding this very nuanced area then, as the constitution only makes reference to "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" [1].

No, Ukrainegate is just the next fake news narrative

A multitude of independent journalists, most of whom oppose Trump, have proven the mainstream media’s coverage of the Russiagate scandal to be biased reportage, that lacked evidence, and presented conspiracy theories as news. The establishment of a similar scandal narrative, so soon after Russiagate fell apart, should be questioned. Much of this seems due to a lack of journalistic integrity or intentional manipulation by various intelligence organisations, as there have been several pieces of evidence and leaks that reveal that US and British intelligence organisation’s were involved in many of the Russiagate allegations.

Too many key pieces of the Russiagate puzzle involved British intelligence, from the unverifiable hearsay of the Steele dossier, written by the British ex-spy Christopher Steele, to MI6 officer Pablo Miller and Russian defector Sergei Skripal’s receiving payments from the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Convention. The Ukrainegate scandal was once again based upon the unverifiable account of one ‘whistleblower’ that Trump called out as a spy. But it is not just Trump, the whistleblower at the heart of this next evidence free scandal that looks set to dominate US politics for the foreseeable future, Ukrainegate, is widely considered to by a CIA agent, a significant detail considering Nanci Pelosi decided to proceed with impeachment based on this account.

The intelligence community should not interfere in political matters but obviously are, impeachment is in this was the next Russiagate, and was obviously concocted by the CIA. Now that the Mueller inquiry is over, this is the next Trump smear campaign from the intelligence community and the failed journalism of the mainstream media. They used a false narrative to go after trump and it got rejected by the senate and has lead to a post impeachment bump in popularity for Trump. This was all perpetrated to keep people distracted from the real issues, an effort to have Americans looking at a complete non-issue instead of real issues, such as global warming, historical new heights of wealth inequality, and the recent attempts by the US government to lie the country into a war with Iran.

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Yes, so that any sealed indictment can be enacted

Many have speculated that Donald Trump may already be subject to a sealed indictment, meaning that he can already be implicated in a crime but will not be charged with the crime until he leaves office. Both Special Counsel Robert Mueller and Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff, who have carried out separate investigations of Donald Trump’s presidency, have both indicated that Trump could be indicted and many have taken their words to indicate that the president may already be under a sealed indictment. He should be impeached and removed from office so he can be punished for any crimes that were redacted from the Mueller Inquiry that may have been seal until he leaves office.

According to Louise Mensch blog Patribotics sources in the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has already been granted against Trump. Likewise according to Adam Schiff, one of the lead investigators in the Trump impeachment inquiry, following the earlier Mueller investigation he believes the Justice Department felt bound to not indict a sitting president, with Schiff stating that he believes Trump should be indicted when he leaves office. Legal experts agree that Trump could be indicted when removed from office, so yes, impeachment proceeding should go ahead and Trump should be removed from office so that he can be indicted and charged with the crimes he has committed before doing any more damage.

Even though Trump was impeached in late 2019 the majority of the republican dominated Senate voted not guilty, meaning that Trump would not be removed from office in light of the impeachment. The fact that the senate voted down Trumps impeachment makes it unclear if there is any for of sealed indictment against Trump. If it is still the case this will play out when Trump eventually leaves office, but judging by his steady approval rating, throughout the impeachment proceedings, it seems unlikely that this will be in 2020.

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Even though Trump was impeached in late 2019 the majority of the republican dominated Senate voted not guilty, meaning that Trump would not be removed from office in light of the impeachment. The fact that the senate voted down Trumps impeachment makes it unclear if there is any for of sealed indictment against Trump. If it is still the case this will play out when Trump eventually leaves office, but judging by his steady approval rating, throughout the impeachment proceedings, it seems unlikely that this will be in 2020.

No - the latest “witch hunt garbage”

Trump has called this a con from the democrats, a crooked media, and a whistleblower source that wasn’t even there to witness his phone call, comparing them to a spy. Both Trump and Ukraine’s President, Volodymyr Zelensky have expressed their denial of the allegations surrounding impeachment, placing all impeachment proceedings solely upon the account of a faceless, nameless whistleblower. Following years of the Mueller Inquiry that found no evidence of collusion with Russia, Trump has correctly labelled efforts to impeach him as what they really are, “witch hunt garbage” [1].

But it’s not just the two men involved that have called out inconsistencies in the proceedings, with Representative Jim Jordan pointing out how weak the evidence is that the impeachment proceedings are based on. When questioned in the first impeachment hearing the US ambassador to Ukraine, William B. Taylor, claimed to have understood there was coercion on Trump’s part based on a convoluted and misleading statement by Gordon Sondland, which was itself based on hearsay and full of contradictions. However Representative Lee Zeldin went further and described the impeachment hearing as a “clown show” and a “fairytale”, adding that “Adam Schiff is misleading you [the media] and you’re playing along with it” [2]. The inquiry is so weak Trump is now openly stating that he wants it to go to trial, as it is becoming clearer and clearer for what it is, a massive waste of time and a witch hunt.

Although the House of Representatives voted to impeach Trump, the Senate voted it down, basically throwing the impeachment out for what it was, a partisan attack on Trump. Polls have demonstrated that the American public did not care about Trump’s impeachment, indicating the democrats failed despite the impeachment making it through the democrat dominated House of Representatives. However, after a year of this dominating American politics the impeachment of Donald Trump failed to accomplish anything, but further alienated voters away from the democratic party.

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Although the House of Representatives voted to impeach Trump, the Senate voted it down, basically throwing the impeachment out for what it was, a partisan attack on Trump. Polls have demonstrated that the American public did not care about Trump’s impeachment, indicating the democrats failed despite the impeachment making it through the democrat dominated House of Representatives. However, after a year of this dominating American politics the impeachment of Donald Trump failed to accomplish anything, but further alienated voters away from the democratic party.

Yes, he has a long list of impeachable offenses

Since Trump has taken office he has conducted one of the most controversial presidencies in recent history and many believe much of this conduct to be comprised of impeachable or indictable offenses. Trump has previously been involved in numerous state and federal criminal lawsuits and investigations, involving foreign collusion, campaign financing, and the Trump organisation benefiting from business deals without the approval of Congress. Additionally his own former attorney, Michael Cohen, has even implicated Trump in a felony, involving hush money being paid to a pornographic film star, Stormy Daniels.

But the most obvious corruption of Trump's presidency remains his failure to properly relinquish his business ties while in the White House, and the subsequent clear profiteering Trump and people around him have engaged in. The clearest example of this is the use of Trump owned businesses, such as golf resorts and hotels, to hold official state meetings and events by Trump and his senior staff such as Attorney General William Barr. Now, if the whistleblowers comments are found to be accurate and Trump’s comments made to the Ukrainian prime minister constitute political pressure to benefit his own reelection campaign he should be impeached. But arguably he should have already been impeached for a long list of other offenses that are much more heinous and serious, and the fact that he wasn't further highlights the problems with American democracy.

On the 18th December 2019 the House of Representatives voted in favour of impeaching Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, making Trump the third president to be impeached in US history. However the republican dominated Senate acquitted Trump on both articles of impeachment on the 5th February 2020, so Trump was not removed from office or barred from running for president in the future making the impeachment more of a smear on Trump's record than an effective attempt to uphold US law. Arguably if democrats sought to impeach Trump for one of the more serious and numerous issues with his presidency the impeachment would have been more meaningful and effective.

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On the 18th December 2019 the House of Representatives voted in favour of impeaching Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, making Trump the third president to be impeached in US history. However the republican dominated Senate acquitted Trump on both articles of impeachment on the 5th February 2020, so Trump was not removed from office or barred from running for president in the future making the impeachment more of a smear on Trump's record than an effective attempt to uphold US law. Arguably if democrats sought to impeach Trump for one of the more serious and numerous issues with his presidency the impeachment would have been more meaningful and effective.
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