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Was Obama A Good President?

In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African-American person to become president of the United States. This gave hope and joy to a lot of African-Americans who live in the U.S, and showed that American society has changed quite a bit since the dark days of this country. With his incredible public speaking ability he has accomplished great things over the years. But he also left a huge mess on some areas, especially in debt. And no matter how much of a good intention he had with decisions of spending more money, it certainly made it difficult for the US government to pay back even more debt than before. Link: connectusfund.org/21-pros-and-cons-of-barack-obamas-presidency
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No, Obama’s persecution of journalists
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No, he led to/caused President Donald Trump
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No, he continued horrible regime change wars
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No, Obama bailed out Wall St. and imposed failed regulations after the Great Recession
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No, his role in the ATF gunwalking scandal
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Yes, Obama's Hunger-Free Act gave kids opportunity to eat healthier than ever
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Yes, Obama re-created the healthcare system in United States for better
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Yes, He created tons of jobs to let unemployed citizens get back on their feet
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No, Obama’s persecution of journalists

While Donald Trump’s hostile outspokenness may seem at odds with the smooth oration of Barack Obama, Obama’s administration actually did much more to silence, persecute and charge journalists and whistle-blowers for the crime of journalism than Trump. Throughout his time as president Obama used the Espionage Act, an antiquated piece of World War I legislations designed to prevent support for the enemy in times of war, to designate journalists and whistle-blowers as 'conspirators' in an effort to silence them. This seriously placed freedom of the press, accurate journalism and the publics right to know of crimes committed by the government and military in serious jeopardy. In addition campaigns of federal spying occurred under the Obama administration on journalists, members of congress and Trump’s associates. This is thought to have set a dangerous precedent for Trump, and although he wasn’t openly hostile as Trump, in his own words “you never heard me threaten to shut them down or call them enemies of the people” [1], his actions clearly went a lot further than his words in this regard.

freedom.press/news/obama-used-espionage-act-put-record-number-reporters-sources-jail-and-trump-could-be-even-worse americafirstpatriots.com/usa-today-obama-wiretapped-journalists-spied-congress [1] washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16845-in-global-persecution-of-journalists-u-s-takes-the-lead

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No, he led to/caused President Donald Trump

Following eight years of George W. Bush President Barack Obama’s campaign was run on a tag line of hope and change, but Obama shared essentially the same policies as Mitt Romney, the republican candidate to follow Bush, with Obama himself describing his policies as “moderate republican” [1]. This failure to delivery change directly led to the wide spread disillusion that caused President Trump. In addition having Hilary Clinton, Obama’s Vice President, and one of the least trusted candidates running for president in the 2016 election according to polls, who stood for all the same problems, who fraudulently side-lined Bernie Sanders to become the democratic candidate, and had a massive amount of baggage, just helped to solidify Trump’s presidency. And Obama is not making the political landscape any easier as he continues to be an influential voice of the Democratic Party, a party stuck in an existential debate over where it’s candidates should stand on corporate power. But judging by Obama’s numerous highly paid speeches made to Wall Street and corporate interests it's a clear reminder of where he stood, and further complicates his legacy and the formation of a competent opposition to Trump. Trump is a corrupt corporate president, the democrats need to oppose that to beat him, and Obama continues to complicate this dynamic.

commondreams.org/news/2017/09/18/after-failing-prosecute-bankers-obama-cashes-wall-street-speeches freebeacon.com/politics/warren-obamas-bailout-of-wall-street-failure-paved-way-trumps-election [1] youtube.com/watch?v=ZJIlZxHfclc breitbart.com/politics/2015/09/24/hillary-clinton-least-trusted-candidates-new-poll

Opposition: To depict Obama as the sole problem that caused Donald Trump to rise to political prominence is very short sighted, there are many elements that led to Trump’s presidency and they are of a much larger in scale than just the previous presidency. Trump relied on his media personality, his controversial outspoken and seemingly honest way of communicating resonated with many Americans, as did false promises to “make America great again”, combined with a huge systemic loss of faith in big businesses set the stage for Trump more than any policy of Obama’s. Obama himself has pointed out that controversial issues such as republicans, and the republican media, constantly requesting his birth certificate, the so called “Birtherism” attacks, as much more influential in fueling the divisive hatred and toxic environment that led to Trump.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/272537-obama-dont-blame-me-for-trumps-rise crooksandliars.com/2016/02/no-ross-trump-not-obamas-fault papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2981350

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No, he continued horrible regime change wars

Obama’s continuation of the George Bush’s ‘War on Terror’ saw him set about expanding the United State’s involvement in international warfare often based on dubious intelligence as a pre-emptive attack, with Obama signing off on many covert operations that may have in fact expanded global terror networks rather than fight them. Obama extended wars already on-going in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Afghanistan, while increasing the military budget, boosting militarism, and escalating military pressure around China. But most shockingly Obama signed off secret CIA operations such as Timber Sycamore, that supplied weapons to “moderate” rebels in Syria in the hopes to destabilise and cause regime change, an operation that failed to change the Syrian regime, complicated a massive civil war and fueled a Middle Eastern weapons black market that benefited extremest groups such as ISIS. Furthermore Obama signed off on ten times more drone strikes than George W. Bush, possibly killing thousands of civilians internationally as military drones have a disastrous record of inaccuracy.

thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush globalresearch.ca/obamas-war-record/5308209 humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20-100-ways-barack-obama-is-just.html

Opposition - Obama started his presidency vowing to bring back all American troops from Iraq and the Afghanistan, and although Obama failed in his drawdown of US forces in Iraq it is the context of the situation that defeated these plans rather than inaction. The push into Afghanistan in particular was to attack the head of al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, however following his assassination the group continued and terrorist organisations splintered in the region as more extreme groups emerged, such as Islamic State. The fight against terrorism became a lot more complicated as it continued and the rising tide of more extreme terrorism globally tied Obama’s presidency into more campaigns that are still being fought today. Furthermore Barack Obama has spoken about the legacy of his signing off on drone strikes and stated that “this technology really began to take off right at the beginning of my presidency,” also mentioning that he slowly realised “the dangers of a form of warfare that is so detached from what is actually happening on the ground. And so we initiated this big process to try to get … much higher standards about when they’re used.” [1]

thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/320199-how-will-history-judge-obamas-actions-in-syria [1] theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454

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No, Obama bailed out Wall St. and imposed failed regulations after the Great Recession

Despite a massive amount of systemic fraudulent criminal trading that led up to and exacerbated the 2008 financial crisis, only one single prosecution of the bankers responsible was made during Obama's presidency. The subsequent bailing out of many of the big banks, under the justification that they were too big to fail, and the failure to adequately regulate afterwards has led to the Obama's regulation being revoked by Trump, and to the world arguably approaching a similar sort of economic slowdown a decade later, with seemingly no lessons learned from the last recession. But to add salt to the wounds of these financial wrongdoings Obama now profits off of his time in office, being paid large amounts of money to give speeches to Wall Street and the financial institutions that engaged in illegal and unsustainable lending practices that led to recession. In light of the recent Federal Reserve bailouts of the repo market it is clear that Obama’s Dodd-Frank legislation has failed to rein in the broken financial system, and defiantly failed to protect the US taxpayer from future bailouts.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/dodd-frank-repeal-highlights-obama-failure-should-go-farther wallstreetonparade.com/2019/10/fed-ups-its-wall-street-bailout-to-690-billion-a-week-as-media-snoozes

Opposition – Barack Obama raised a record amount of funds for his campaign for president from Wall Street, but the often-used accusation of his White House staff being Wall Street bankers themselves is misleading, as is the overall level of campaign donations when you adjust for inflation and compare to past presidents. It is also often argued Wall Street donations to Obama’s campaign made him beholden to campaign donors, and was in a difficult position to act having no choice to do anything else, but in reality it may have been more of a case of the bank bailout was in fact the only way to prevent harsher longer lasting damage to the US economy. Moreover, the bailouts were not initially Obama’s plan at all but an unpopular plan formulated during the end of the Bush Presidency, but may have in fact saved countless jobs and whole industries from complete collapse. Memories now seem tainted as Obama bailed out the automotive industry also, saving thousands of jobs, it seems slightly unfair and misleading to blame the reaction of the financial crisis on Obama when arguably it could have been worse if he had not acted.

factcheck.org/2012/02/obama-white-house-full-of-wall-street-executives chicagotribune.com/business/ct-obama-economy-robert-reed-110-biz-20170109-column.html

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https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/obama-white-house-full-of-wall-street-executives/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-obama-economy-robert-reed-110-biz-20170109-column.html

No, his role in the ATF gunwalking scandal

One of the first times that Barack Obama asserted executive privilege when in office was to withhold documents relating to the ATF Gunwalking Scandal. This scandal involving the failure of a sting operation in which the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed firearms dealers to legally sell American weapons to Mexican gun smugglers, in hopes to track the guns and arrest drug cartel leaders. A Massive amount of firearms were allowed to go over the border, with weapons found at 170 crime scenes that can be linked to the failed sting operation, this is something that will have to be dealt with by law enforcement and will continue to be a problem for years to come. The Scandal only came to light following the death of a US Border Patrol agent murdered by a weapon from the gunwalking scandal and the whistleblowing of a former ATF agent. The operation didn’t lead to the arrest of any higher-level criminals or cartel members and has so far seen hundreds of firearms end up in the hands of criminal organisations with few arrests or results. This was a complete failure and one that should have been called out by Obama not buried by him.

americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/6/12/the-atf-s-gun-walking-cover-up-is-worse-than-we-thought usbacklash.org/what-was-obamas-role-in-fast-and-furious-scandal-and-coverup newsmax.com/FastFeatures/barack-obama-scandal-atf-fast-and-furious/2014/12/28/id/613434

Opposition: When appreciating Obama's role in the ATF Gunwalking Scandal you have to bear in mind that Obama personally appointed the head of the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and this scandal could have been devastating for his presidency. Furthermore, Obama also appointed Attorney General Eric Holder in 2008, it was Holder who started the dispute with Congress by withholding Justice Department documents, and it was also Holder that urged Obama to invoke executive privileges. Holder was held in contempt of Congress for his actions, however he was later cleared of any wrongdoing by congress so arguably Obama's record should be also. It is also important to remember that although this did lead to the arming of criminals gangs, strained US-Mexican relations and was an unquestionable failure, it did lead to the arrests of twenty individuals linked to the sale of guns, and two out of the five men responsible for the murder of the US Border Patrol agent.

archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/fast-furious-guilty.html edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/border-patrol-terry-indictments/index.html

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Yes, Obama's Hunger-Free Act gave kids opportunity to eat healthier than ever

Obama Improved child nutrition by creating the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act

The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act allowed the USDA (United States Department Of Agriculture) greater funding, to recreate the country’s school meals and nutrition program. This change was huge for the USDA considering they were previously stuck with the same nutrition program for 30 years. Although previous school lunch program was more tasty and children would enjoy eating them, the new program improved the overall Nutrition value of school lunch program and was much more efficient. This act allowed schools across the country to serve meals that have the proper amount of calories for children, that contains at least one serving of fruits or vegetables, and that have enough calcium, vitamins, fibre, iron, and protein. Not only did students who aren’t wealthy enough to have nutrient-dense meals at home get a chance to improve their health, but students from middle class households got the option to get a healthy meal at school rather than going out at lunch for junk food. Links: draxe.com/health/school-lunch en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy,_Hunger-Free_Kids_Act_of_2010#cite_note-Healthy_Hunger-Free_Kids_Act-4 nytimes.com/2015/09/27/sunday-review/why-students-hate-school-lunches.html

Objection: Just because the administration set new standards on school meal programs, doesn’t mean they could guarantee that students are actually going to eat them. Research shows that after the HHFK Act there was a huge decrease in participants of school meal programs all across the country. Also this act drove up the costs to school districts because nutrients-dense food cost more than junk food, yet lots of food got thrown away because students simply did not want to eat them. Likewise, forcing schools to serve “fat free” milk gave the students the wrong idea that “fat is bad” and they should avoid every sort of fat, even the healthy fats they need in their body to function properly. The Obama Administration should have done more research and take a look at successful examples of school meal programs like in Japan, which carries out one of the most nutrients dense school lunch programs around the world, yet successfully minimizes the amount of food that goes to waste. Links: draxe.com/health/school-lunch healthhungeract.weebly.com/cons.html

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Hikka 10
Oct 23
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Yes, Obama re-created the healthcare system in United States for better

Obama reformed healthcare by making it affordable

The Affordable Care Act started in 2010, changed the way healthcare insurance worked in the country and making it more affordable for many American citizens. Over 90 percent of the population was able to have healthcare of some sort by 2014. With a bigger number of people receiving healthcare, especially preventative healthcare, numbers of visits to emergency room decreased in the country. Link: connectusfund.org/21-pros-and-cons-of-barack-obamas-presidency

Objection: The goal of the Affordable Care Act was to recreate the healthcare system and make it better by decreasing the cost of insurance and make it affordable for the average American family. But by 2016, the Obama Administration had to admit that the cost of premiums would increase by an average of 25 percent. Although they announced more subsidies to help reduce the costs, using government money to reduce costs that families would have to face was a poor economic decision made by the administration, and one that damaged healthcare reforms. Link: connectusfund.org/21-pros-and-cons-of-barack-obamas-presidency

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Hikka 10
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Yes, He created tons of jobs to let unemployed citizens get back on their feet

He was the 3rd best job creator in the history of the USA.

During Obama’s presidency the unemployment rate dropped below the historical norm, and average weekly income of all workers were up 4% after inflation. At the end of his term, Obama recorded the highest income level of household income ever recorded. What’s more impressive is at the beginning of his term of presidency, the USA was in the middle of the worst economic downfall since The Great Depression. Links: factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers connectusfund.org/21-pros-and-cons-of-barack-obamas-presidency

Objection: Yes, he did create over 8 million jobs and increased the employment rate by 6.2 percent. But those numbers don’t give the total picture. The american economy lost 8.5 million jobs as a result of the financial crisis in 2008, and the decrease continued until the middle of December 2009. Obama created jobs that paid less but didn’t require skills or high-end knowledge, allowing more uneducated citizens to find jobs . But this level of job creation also meant that Obama increased the USA’s national debt by $8.6 trillion, a 74 percent increase,raising the debt to GDP ratio to 104 percent. When we combine all the facts above, the impact he had on the United State’s economy doesn’t look positive. Links: factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218

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Hikka 10
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Yes, He was the "Symbol of Hope"

Even though he was often referred to as “symbol of hope”, he represented peace for the entire human race.

Barack Obama was a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009. One of the reasons why he received this award was his work in the field of international diplomacy and fostering cooperation between different people. His vision of creating a world without any nuclear weapons and his powerful arms control negotiations led the USA to play a more constructive role when it comes to making the world a safer place. Link: nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release

Objection: The ex-secretary of the Nobel Prize committee, Geir Lunderstad made a negative comment about the move to give a Nobel Peace Prize to Mr. Obama, saying "even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake". The main issue the committee had was that even though Mr. Obama had a great vision and made the nuclear weapon situation around the world better, some of the members in the committee thought that he didn’t quite achieved enough to receive this prize. In fact, In the spirit of “peace” Obama launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan over a period of eight years. The question is, was he really a symbol of “peace” if he was attacking other countries to protect only his country? Link: bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960

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