D H
Oct 26 · Last update 1 mo. ago.

Was the US right to arrest/kidnap Alex Saab?

The US arrested Alex Saab on June 12th 2020 in Cape Verde as his jet landed to re-fuel between Iran and Venezuela, Saab was accused of numerous counts of money laundering for his part in conducting business with the Venezuelan government. Alex Saab was then extradited on October 16th 2021 from Cape Verde to the United States and faces up to 20 years in prison, Alex Saab is accused of helping the Venezuelan government run its Local Committees for Supply and Production (CLAP) food subsidy program and committing bribery and money laundering to profit from the scheme. While in Cape Verde Alex Saab complained of being subject to torture and was denied access to medical care, and the UN denounced his detention as arbitrary, and many have questioned the legality of arrest and compared it to kidnapping. Was the US right to arrest/kidnap Alex Saab?
Stats of Viewpoints
The connection to Assange
0 agrees
0 disagrees
No
0 agrees
0 disagrees
Yes
0 agrees
0 disagrees
Viewpoints
Add New Viewpoint

The connection to Assange

With Alex Saab, the US is trying to set precedent for the bigger and more deplorable Julian Assange extradition case. In both cases the US is seeking to impose an illegal order of their own making, completely outside of international law and the regular checks and balances that apply to all states. It is especially clear that the US is trying go after Assange here following the alarming letter released recently that disclosed a discussion within the CIA and Trump White House about kidnapping the WikiLeaks founder and even discussed assassinating him. This and the fact that the key witness against Assange, Sigurdur “Siggi” Thordarson, admitting to lying to minimise his own personal paedophilia charges, give the Assange's extradition new urgency in the eyes of the US administration.

Alex Saab is in essence a practice run for the possible higher profile abduction of someone like Assange, if there is no opposition to actions like this the US will continue to break international law in this way. Journalism is not a crime, war crimes are, but just weeks before the US is appealing Assange's extradition to the US the US put another war crimes whistleblower, Daniel Hale, in a CMU (communication management unit) a isolated cell designed for high risk inmates such as terrorists. This is widely considered cruel and unusual treatment, and essentially proves Assange's defence teams point that he risks being tortured further if he is extradited to the US.

The letter released in October 2021 that has been signed by freedom of the press organisations, a coalition of 25 press freedom, civil liberties, and international human rights groups, calls on the US department of Justice to dismiss its dangerous case against Julian Assange. In addition to the human rights abuses Assange looks set to face following extradition the letter notes the clear threat Assange's case poses to first amendment press freedom rights. But more should be done by these human rights groups for Alex Saab, to show the United States that civil society groups are willing to to denounce issues like this that go against human rights and international law so egregiously.

caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/10/17/the-us-has-placed-itself-in-charge-over-which-nations-get-to-eat youtu.be/FDrGnoqJ9Nk?t=188 misionverdad.com/english/coercion-kidnapping-and-legal-malfeasance-illicit-route-alex-saab-case alexsaab.news/illegal-detention-cape-verde-special-envoy democracynow.org/2021/9/28/cia_julian_assange_assassination_plot shadowproof.com/2021/10/18/bureau-of-prisons-daniel-hale-cmu-treated-like-terrorist amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/02/amnesty-international-joins-civil-liberties-groups-to-ask-biden-to-drop-case-against-julian-assange

Agree
Disagree
Latest conversation
D H
Nov 17
Approved
DH edited this paragraph
Alex Saab is in essence a practice run for the possible higher profile abduction of someone like Assange, if there is no opposition to actions like this the US will continue to break international law in this way. Journalism is not a crime, war crimes are, but just weeks before the US is appealing Assange's extradition to the US the US put another war crimes whistleblower, Daniel Hale, in a CMU (communication management unit) a isolated cell designed for high risk inmates such as terrorists. This is widely considered cruel and unusual treatment, and essentially proves Assange's defence teams point that he risks being tortured further if he is extradited to the US.

No

In March 2021 Swiss prosecutors decided that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Alex Saab for money laundering, yet the US are still going after the man, in reality for circumventing the illegal US sanctions on Venezuela. Saab has been denied food, medical attention, communication with his family, denied contact with the media, and interrogated and pressured to give up details on how Venezuela violates US sanctions in order to feed its citizens. Furthermore the INTERPOL notice was issued quickly after the arrest was made, and the arrest was made in a third country where the US doesn’t have any jurisdiction, breaking international law and making this amount to an illegal kidnapping.

The real reason Saab has faced increased judicial interest from the US is because he has helped circumvent the brutal financial sanctions Trump imposed on the Venezuelan government in 2018. He has been a key facilitator of Venezuela’s relationship with other countries that enable it to survive under the US sanctions to get food and fuel. The Trump administration admitted to trying to "choke" the Venezuelan government economically to worsen the economic condition in the country to the point of regime change [1], which amounts to an economic siege on the country and is illegal under international law, and this has only continued into the Biden administration.

Even the UN has openly denounced US sanctions on Venezuela, Alex Saab played a key role in bypassing these illegal sanctions somewhat, but for this the US this is reason enough to concocted shadowy charges to justify his kidnap in order to coerce him into selling out Venezuela. The US is essentially angry that someone was supplying food to Venezuela, a country that the US has long been engaged in economic warfare with, but who is the US to decide what countries get to eat? The US' main goal is to deprive the country of food to bring about regime change, this is shockingly immoral and demonstrated that the Biden administration is just as willing to break international law and kidnap a foreign citizen in the name of foreign policy as Trump was. The US has ignored international law in order to kidnap the citizen of another country in the name of the “rules based order”, much in the style of a mafia boss and in complete disregard for the UN's objections, to both their sanctions and to the treatment of Alex Saab.

thebftonline.com/26/03/2021/swiss-investigators-end-alex-saab-money-laundering-probe-due-to-insufficient-evidence misionverdad.com/english/coercion-kidnapping-and-legal-malfeasance-illicit-route-alex-saab-case countercurrents.org/2021/05/us-extradition-of-alex-saab-is-illegal-unfounded-lawyers-legal-experts alexsaab.news/illegal-detention-cape-verde-special-envoy thegrayzone.com/2021/04/27/us-extradite-foreign-businesspeople-sanctions-saab-wanzhou [1] fair.org/home/un-rebuke-of-us-sanctions-on-venezuela-met-with-stunning-silence

Agree
Disagree
Latest conversation
D H
Oct 31
Approved
DH edited this paragraph
https://thebftonline.com/26/03/2021/swiss-investigators-end-alex-saab-money-laundering-probe-due-to-insufficient-evidence/ https://misionverdad.com/english/coercion-kidnapping-and-legal-malfeasance-illicit-route-alex-saab-case https://countercurrents.org/2021/05/us-extradition-of-alex-saab-is-illegal-unfounded-lawyers-legal-experts/ https://alexsaab.news/illegal-detention-cape-verde-special-envoy/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/27/us-extradite-foreign-businesspeople-sanctions-saab-wanzhou/ [1] https://fair.org/home/un-rebuke-of-us-sanctions-on-venezuela-met-with-stunning-silence/

Yes

Alex Saab is the architect of a program that allowed the Venezuelan Maduro regime avoid sanctions and evidence suggests he is guilty of prolific money laundering and has enriched himself through business conducted with the Venezuelan government, as a result his name appears in both the Panama Papers and the Pandora Papers. Saab has been under investigation in his home country of Colombia for nearly two decades and is believed to have laundered at least $25,000 there and was indicted for money laundering, illicit enrichment, fictitious exports and imports, and fraud in relation to his company Shatex and its shadowy dealings with the Maduro government. However his larger crimes have taken place internationally, extensive investigative journalism has found that Saab delivered around $3 million worth of housing materials to Venezuela between 2012/3 despite receiving $159 million from the troubled state, he is also known to have sold food to Venezuela with a large 112% mark up.

While the Venezuelan government historically tried to hide its connection to Alex Saab, following his arrest in Cape Verde the Maduro government quickly began a propaganda campaign to try and build support for the prevention of his extradition to the United States. Suddenly Saab was depicted as a government envoy and his innocence was broadcast over billboards across Caracas, on government social media accounts, and in murals and works of graffiti across the city, while Venezuela's government organised pro-Saab demonstrations. Saab has clearly used his position, and Venezuela's difficult economic situation, to profit personally despite what the Maduro regime tries to make out in retrospect. The arrest of Alex Saab was therefore rightly conducted in accordance with an Interpol Red Notice on 12th June 2020, he was extradited to the US on 16th October 2021, and now has to face charges of moving $350 million out of Venezuela and hiding it in bank accounts in the US and other nations.

securefreesociety.org/research/who-is-alex-saab nytimes.com/2021/10/16/world/americas/alex-saab-arrest-venezuela-maduro.html bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-58943249

Agree
Disagree
Latest conversation
D H
Oct 31
Approved
DH edited this paragraph
Alex Saab is the architect of a program that allowed the Venezuelan Maduro regime avoid sanctions and evidence suggests he is guilty of prolific money laundering and has enriched himself through business conducted with the Venezuelan government, as a result his name appears in both the Panama Papers and the Pandora Papers. Saab has been under investigation in his home country of Colombia for nearly two decades and is believed to have laundered at least $25,000 there and was indicted for money laundering, illicit enrichment, fictitious exports and imports, and fraud in relation to his company Shatex and its shadowy dealings with the Maduro government. However his larger crimes have taken place internationally, extensive investigative journalism has found that Saab delivered around $3 million worth of housing materials to Venezuela between 2012/3 despite receiving $159 million from the troubled state, he is also known to have sold food to Venezuela with a large 112% mark up.
Translate