Daniel Halliday
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What do you think about the separation of Church and State?
Many countries around the world have laws to prohibit religious groups from being involved in the governing of the country. While other countries openly govern according to a religious doctrine. Which of these do you think is the better approach?
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Different populaces demand different laws and styles of governance
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We need to go one further and separate religious reasoning from the political domain
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Church and state need to be separate
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Different populaces demand different laws and styles of governance

Just because a European country benefits from a democratic system where church and state are separate doesn’t mean this model can be supported and effective in areas that may have ethnic or cultural disparity. Such places may need some form of unifying factor to quash arguments and violence.

An example of this may be Jordan where the government and royal family proclaim the importance of religious tolerance, with Christians being especially well integrated, and holding positions in government as high as deputy prime minister. Despite some discrimination in society, Jordan’s Muslim majority and Christian minority remain generally peaceful, despite the widespread turmoil in this region. Arguably this may not be possible without the control of the king, as despite Jordan being a constitutional monarchy, King Abdullah II enjoys wide executive and legislative powers and has considerable influence over the country.

Likewise, if countries are going to exercise democracy, and the popular opinion is a religious one, it is likely that more overtly religious conservatives get voted into positions of power. An arguable example of such is in Egypt, following the Arab spring people speculated that a secular government would take power but increasingly religious and conservative parties were repeatedly voted in. Different areas and people groups have different outlooks and perspectives, and democracy will mirror this.

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Likewise, if countries are going to exercise democracy, and the popular opinion is a religious one, it is likely that more overtly religious conservatives get voted into positions of power. An arguable example of such is in Egypt, following the Arab spring people speculated that a secular government would take power but increasingly religious and conservative parties were repeatedly voted in. Different areas and people groups have different outlooks and perspectives, and democracy will mirror this.
We need to go one further and separate religious reasoning from the political domain

Separating church and state is one thing, but we now need a societal disapproval of religious reasoning employed in the political environment. The sphere of politics should be based upon logic, science, statistics and progression, not on age old rules that are right without justification. If we are going to develop as a society we need to decide what is good or bad for society based on logic and reason. Religion cheapens that debate and throws things off course, usually in favour or conservative traditional beliefs that may be out of date, wrong, or more likely, right, but not applicable in all circumstances.

This is especially true for countries such as Turkey which have a distinctly secular constitution but though actions of those in power, secularism is being attacked. Since 2003, Turkish Prime Minister (now President) Recep Tayyip Erdoğan ushered in a new period of Islamist populism in Turkish politics, eroding the separation of religious rhetoric from the political sphere in Turkey. The situation has become so pronounced that the 2016 coup d'état attempt by a faction of the Turkish military called the Peace at Home Council, gave the erosion of secularism, elimination of democratic rule, and a disregard for human rights as there reasons for trying to overthrow the Erdoğan government.

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This is especially true for countries such as Turkey which have a distinctly secular constitution but though actions of those in power, secularism is being attacked. Since 2003, Turkish Prime Minister (now President) Recep Tayyip Erdoğan ushered in a new period of Islamist populism in Turkish politics, eroding the separation of religious rhetoric from the political sphere in Turkey. The situation has become so pronounced that the 2016 coup d'état attempt by a faction of the Turkish military called the Peace at Home Council, gave the erosion of secularism, elimination of democratic rule, and a disregard for human rights as there reasons for trying to overthrow the Erdoğan government.
Church and state need to be separate

The separation of church and state minimises the tendencies of a group that claim to be morally unquestionable, and use this claim to persecute minorities (and/or non-believers) and assume authoritarian rule. We need the morals and methods of any governing party to be questioned at all times. Saying something is gods will or inherently just is unhelpful to discussion and derails meaningful narrative.

Countries that have very close ties between church and state often carry out religious persecution on minority cultures. One example of this is Iran were the country is run by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, acting as both head of state and highest religious authority in the country. In Iran, the largest religious minority is that of the Bahá'ís who are not only marginalised but subject to violent attacks, imprisonment, torture, and a monumental propaganda campaign by state sponsored media.

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Countries that have very close ties between church and state often carry out religious persecution on minority cultures. One example of this is Iran were the country is run by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, acting as both head of state and highest religious authority in the country. In Iran, the largest religious minority is that of the Bahá'ís who are not only marginalised but subject to violent attacks, imprisonment, torture, and a monumental propaganda campaign by state sponsored media.
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